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	<title>Comments on: Why Have We Forgotten the Servants? Part III The Mistress Learns to Cook</title>
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		<title>By: Rachel Laudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Laudan</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hmm.  Thanks for taking the time to type out that long and revealing passage.  Maybe it's time to hear it from the servant's side!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Thanks for taking the time to type out that long and revealing passage.  Maybe it&#8217;s time to hear it from the servant&#8217;s side!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Balic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Balic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The is quite a bit to say about the North v the South. n.b. 19th century people are my least favorite people to read, the come across as bloody aweful people.

"In the Southern States, where slaves are trained bytheir masters and mistresses with, special reference to the service of the family in the department of labour allotted them, the difficulty of which we speak is not realized to any great extent. Servitude is their not, as it has been that of their ancestors, and they are, for the most part, ignorant of any higher destiny being attainable or even desirable ; and multitudes of them are contentedly happy, and free from any aspirations after a change of their condition, which, though one of bondage and dependance, is attended by no care or anxiety for the means of subsistence, which with them is the ultimatum of desire.
 
But in the non-slaveholding states, and especially in the northern cities, the case is widely different. The coloured people are free, and when they can find any employment, however menial, which they can conduct on their own behalf, they refuse to become hired servants, or the domestics in families, regarding such service as beneath them, approaching, as they seem to think, to the nature of slavery. And of those who are compelled, for want of subsistence, to enter domestic service, it is their misfortune more than their fault to say that, for the most part, they are mere eye-servants, and are not often found either qualified or trustworthy. 
Their number being very inconsiderable, our population in the North have to be mainly dependant on the Irish and German emigrants, who constitute the great mass of our domestics ; for most strangely it has come to pass that white females, especially in the humble walks of life, however humble, regard the condition of hired servants as beneath them, and the domestic duties of the household too degrading for freeborn Americans ! 
They prefer harder labour, coarser fare, and destitution of a comfortable shelter, if they can only be seamstresses, tailoresses, hat and shoe binders, book-folders, shopkeepers, milliners, or anything else except the hired girls, helps, or domestics of a family. Multitudes of them in all our cities toil from Monday morning until Saturday night in miserable garrets, hovels, and even cellars, working at prices which stint 
them for even the necessaries of life, wither their health, dim their eyes, and often sacrifice their lives, who might be actively and healthily employed in the bustling duties of domestics, at ample wages, with the comforts and even luxuries of life, and a good home. But such is their infatuation on this particular subject, that very few American girls, of suitable age for household service, can anywhere be found in the capacity of 
domestic servants. It is for this reason that Irish and German domestics are almost universally employed 
in the northern cities, and these are, for the most part, wholly uninstructed in the duties of household service ; and however willing multitudes of them are to work for hire, they have to be taught by the mistress of the family even the most common kinds of service, 
being, for the most part, wholly ignorant of the plainest cooking, house-cleaning, washing, ironing, &#38;c., so that they often receive wages for months before they begin 
to make themselves useful in the family, or can at all be relied on for their every-day routine of duty. By this time they often become corrupted by the intercourse they have with other servants during their frequent leisure, and are prompted to demand an advance of wages, 
and to make exactions of time for visiting their numerous cousins and other relatives from the old country, as well as to fill your kitchen with strangers, both male and female, until the annoyance becomes insufferable. Next they abruptly leave the family where they have been taught at great pains, and have but just learned the work they are required to do, either to seek a nurse's place, or some lighter form of service, for 
higher wages, or, perhaps, to get married to some one of their countrymen, whom you have allowed to quarter upon your premises rather than risk the loss of your servant, now that she has learned how to be useful. These are but a few items in the list of grievances which are perennially multiplied."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The is quite a bit to say about the North v the South. n.b. 19th century people are my least favorite people to read, the come across as bloody aweful people.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Southern States, where slaves are trained bytheir masters and mistresses with, special reference to the service of the family in the department of labour allotted them, the difficulty of which we speak is not realized to any great extent. Servitude is their not, as it has been that of their ancestors, and they are, for the most part, ignorant of any higher destiny being attainable or even desirable ; and multitudes of them are contentedly happy, and free from any aspirations after a change of their condition, which, though one of bondage and dependance, is attended by no care or anxiety for the means of subsistence, which with them is the ultimatum of desire.</p>
<p>But in the non-slaveholding states, and especially in the northern cities, the case is widely different. The coloured people are free, and when they can find any employment, however menial, which they can conduct on their own behalf, they refuse to become hired servants, or the domestics in families, regarding such service as beneath them, approaching, as they seem to think, to the nature of slavery. And of those who are compelled, for want of subsistence, to enter domestic service, it is their misfortune more than their fault to say that, for the most part, they are mere eye-servants, and are not often found either qualified or trustworthy.<br />
Their number being very inconsiderable, our population in the North have to be mainly dependant on the Irish and German emigrants, who constitute the great mass of our domestics ; for most strangely it has come to pass that white females, especially in the humble walks of life, however humble, regard the condition of hired servants as beneath them, and the domestic duties of the household too degrading for freeborn Americans !<br />
They prefer harder labour, coarser fare, and destitution of a comfortable shelter, if they can only be seamstresses, tailoresses, hat and shoe binders, book-folders, shopkeepers, milliners, or anything else except the hired girls, helps, or domestics of a family. Multitudes of them in all our cities toil from Monday morning until Saturday night in miserable garrets, hovels, and even cellars, working at prices which stint<br />
them for even the necessaries of life, wither their health, dim their eyes, and often sacrifice their lives, who might be actively and healthily employed in the bustling duties of domestics, at ample wages, with the comforts and even luxuries of life, and a good home. But such is their infatuation on this particular subject, that very few American girls, of suitable age for household service, can anywhere be found in the capacity of<br />
domestic servants. It is for this reason that Irish and German domestics are almost universally employed<br />
in the northern cities, and these are, for the most part, wholly uninstructed in the duties of household service ; and however willing multitudes of them are to work for hire, they have to be taught by the mistress of the family even the most common kinds of service,<br />
being, for the most part, wholly ignorant of the plainest cooking, house-cleaning, washing, ironing, &amp;c., so that they often receive wages for months before they begin<br />
to make themselves useful in the family, or can at all be relied on for their every-day routine of duty. By this time they often become corrupted by the intercourse they have with other servants during their frequent leisure, and are prompted to demand an advance of wages,<br />
and to make exactions of time for visiting their numerous cousins and other relatives from the old country, as well as to fill your kitchen with strangers, both male and female, until the annoyance becomes insufferable. Next they abruptly leave the family where they have been taught at great pains, and have but just learned the work they are required to do, either to seek a nurse&#8217;s place, or some lighter form of service, for<br />
higher wages, or, perhaps, to get married to some one of their countrymen, whom you have allowed to quarter upon your premises rather than risk the loss of your servant, now that she has learned how to be useful. These are but a few items in the list of grievances which are perennially multiplied.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Laudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Laudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, thanks for the rest of the quote. Interesting that by 1855 the difference between the US and Europe was so marked.  But I have to wonder if the author was including the southern states.  And whether there was a surge in servanthood in the robber baron era.  I simply don't know.

Also interesting is the fact that servants changed so rapidly.  I have another wonderful quote on that that I will post soon.

Thanks Judith for the clarification. And to clarify back, I think the entitled young ladies do learn to cook in these classes and do get their hands dirty.  As to cooking programs, their appeal escapes me too.  Perhaps it's like magic, perhaps it's a dream world of luxury and elegance for all the insistence on ease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, thanks for the rest of the quote. Interesting that by 1855 the difference between the US and Europe was so marked.  But I have to wonder if the author was including the southern states.  And whether there was a surge in servanthood in the robber baron era.  I simply don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Also interesting is the fact that servants changed so rapidly.  I have another wonderful quote on that that I will post soon.</p>
<p>Thanks Judith for the clarification. And to clarify back, I think the entitled young ladies do learn to cook in these classes and do get their hands dirty.  As to cooking programs, their appeal escapes me too.  Perhaps it&#8217;s like magic, perhaps it&#8217;s a dream world of luxury and elegance for all the insistence on ease.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Klinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Klinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my wonderment comes from the concept of bringing along your servant to the cooking class. The entitled one watches, observes, but doesn't get her hands dirty while still thinking that she now knows how to cook.  
No, it's the Food Channel that has replaced this kind of class. Within the comfort of your own home you can watch food prepared as theater, again without any mess or smells.   I'm also completely dumbfounded at the popularity of food programs.  Yesterday I was buying some wood carving tools at an art supply store and wound up telling the nice cashier that I would be using them on food.  Her response, "Oh, I love to watch cooking programs! It's so comforting."
Her colleague looks over and says, "Yeah, but you never cook."
Her: "Oh no. I just like to watch."

While this is not a parallel to the lady and the maid cooking class, it still   makes wonder why an entitled lady would take such a class, and why the cashier lady is comforted by watching Emeril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my wonderment comes from the concept of bringing along your servant to the cooking class. The entitled one watches, observes, but doesn&#8217;t get her hands dirty while still thinking that she now knows how to cook.<br />
No, it&#8217;s the Food Channel that has replaced this kind of class. Within the comfort of your own home you can watch food prepared as theater, again without any mess or smells.   I&#8217;m also completely dumbfounded at the popularity of food programs.  Yesterday I was buying some wood carving tools at an art supply store and wound up telling the nice cashier that I would be using them on food.  Her response, &#8220;Oh, I love to watch cooking programs! It&#8217;s so comforting.&#8221;<br />
Her colleague looks over and says, &#8220;Yeah, but you never cook.&#8221;<br />
Her: &#8220;Oh no. I just like to watch.&#8221;</p>
<p>While this is not a parallel to the lady and the maid cooking class, it still   makes wonder why an entitled lady would take such a class, and why the cashier lady is comforted by watching Emeril.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Balic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Balic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might enjoy the rest of the comment then. Book was published in 1855, there are a few comments of slaves in the Southern USA and how this relates to domestic management.

Under such circumstances as here alluded to, it is obvious that the classification of servants recognised in England is impracticable in America. And, moreover, the high notions of equality and independence inspired by a " free country" would render such an army of servants in a household as unmanageable as a regiment of dragoons, and as dangerous to the peace and safety of a family as a " gunpowder plot." Indeed, there are very few in this country whose income would justify so large an outlay for domestic wages as the foregoing table shows, nor is there any family establishment for private residence in America which could furnish occasion for so many servants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might enjoy the rest of the comment then. Book was published in 1855, there are a few comments of slaves in the Southern USA and how this relates to domestic management.</p>
<p>Under such circumstances as here alluded to, it is obvious that the classification of servants recognised in England is impracticable in America. And, moreover, the high notions of equality and independence inspired by a &#8221; free country&#8221; would render such an army of servants in a household as unmanageable as a regiment of dragoons, and as dangerous to the peace and safety of a family as a &#8221; gunpowder plot.&#8221; Indeed, there are very few in this country whose income would justify so large an outlay for domestic wages as the foregoing table shows, nor is there any family establishment for private residence in America which could furnish occasion for so many servants</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Laudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Laudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, that's a great quote.  It is especially revealing on how the housewife had (and has in Mexico and many other places I am sure) to teach the servant to cook.

Judith, is the wonderment that cooking classes exist or that cooking classes for the upper class exist?  And I'd be interested to know what you think has replaced them.  Cookbooks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, that&#8217;s a great quote.  It is especially revealing on how the housewife had (and has in Mexico and many other places I am sure) to teach the servant to cook.</p>
<p>Judith, is the wonderment that cooking classes exist or that cooking classes for the upper class exist?  And I&#8217;d be interested to know what you think has replaced them.  Cookbooks?</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Klinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Klinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wonderment comes from the realization that this type of cooking class still exists, that there is still a need for this type of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wonderment comes from the realization that this type of cooking class still exists, that there is still a need for this type of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Balic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Balic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A long but interesting extract from a 19th century domestic economy manual. It demonstrates that conflict in the role of the house wife in the kitchen at this point:

A young wife whose condition in life before her marriage has exempted her from the drudgery of the kitchen at her paternal home, and whose husband is in circumstances entitling her to similar exemption in her new relation, is, nevertheless, obliged to perform menial duties in her kitchen, not only to instruct her first servant, but she has to give similar lessons to every new servant which her frequent changes introduce into the family However unwelcome such labour, no one imagines that it is in the least degree disreputable, after her marriage, to teach her servants by practical lessons, or to assist them statedly in the duties of the chambers or kitchen. And yet the same duties and toils, cheerfully performed after marriage by the mistress, and to which she has пеvег been accustomed, are deemed by young women dependant on their labour for bread as beneath their fancied dignity ; and pauperized seamstresses, are ground into the dust by their taskmasters, whose compulsory bill of prices fail to reward their hard earnings with even the necessaries of life, will turn up their noses in aristocratic pride by excluding from their society a young woman who is occupied in domestic service, either as kitchen maid, or servant of all work, and this though the lady of the house herself shares in the humblest of her labours. The only adequate protection to housekeepers from the endless troubles connected with their domestics is to be found in correcting the mistaken idea among our own young countrywomen, that there is anything degrading in the routine of domestic service, or that it is less respectable to labour at household duties for hire than to toil with the needle for the miserable pittance which speculators in female servitude allow such to receive аз wages for their industry. How insufferably absurd is such folly, when this same seamstress, when she has luckily married some labouring man of her own degree in life, enters upon housekeeping for herself without a servant of any kind, and becomes reconciled at once to those very kinds of labour which she before regarded as humiliating and disgraceful ; and when, by dint of industry and frugality, the young couple find themselves able to look out a servant to relieve the wife of her daily task, and share the burdens of an increasing family, she finds her former notions of the degrading character of domestic service so universal among her own countrywomen, that she is now convicted of her infatuation, and is compelled to take under her roof a raw Irish or green German girl, neither of whom know how to boil a potato or cook a beefsteak until they serve an apprenticeship in her kitchen....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long but interesting extract from a 19th century domestic economy manual. It demonstrates that conflict in the role of the house wife in the kitchen at this point:</p>
<p>A young wife whose condition in life before her marriage has exempted her from the drudgery of the kitchen at her paternal home, and whose husband is in circumstances entitling her to similar exemption in her new relation, is, nevertheless, obliged to perform menial duties in her kitchen, not only to instruct her first servant, but she has to give similar lessons to every new servant which her frequent changes introduce into the family However unwelcome such labour, no one imagines that it is in the least degree disreputable, after her marriage, to teach her servants by practical lessons, or to assist them statedly in the duties of the chambers or kitchen. And yet the same duties and toils, cheerfully performed after marriage by the mistress, and to which she has пеvег been accustomed, are deemed by young women dependant on their labour for bread as beneath their fancied dignity ; and pauperized seamstresses, are ground into the dust by their taskmasters, whose compulsory bill of prices fail to reward their hard earnings with even the necessaries of life, will turn up their noses in aristocratic pride by excluding from their society a young woman who is occupied in domestic service, either as kitchen maid, or servant of all work, and this though the lady of the house herself shares in the humblest of her labours. The only adequate protection to housekeepers from the endless troubles connected with their domestics is to be found in correcting the mistaken idea among our own young countrywomen, that there is anything degrading in the routine of domestic service, or that it is less respectable to labour at household duties for hire than to toil with the needle for the miserable pittance which speculators in female servitude allow such to receive аз wages for their industry. How insufferably absurd is such folly, when this same seamstress, when she has luckily married some labouring man of her own degree in life, enters upon housekeeping for herself without a servant of any kind, and becomes reconciled at once to those very kinds of labour which she before regarded as humiliating and disgraceful ; and when, by dint of industry and frugality, the young couple find themselves able to look out a servant to relieve the wife of her daily task, and share the burdens of an increasing family, she finds her former notions of the degrading character of domestic service so universal among her own countrywomen, that she is now convicted of her infatuation, and is compelled to take under her roof a raw Irish or green German girl, neither of whom know how to boil a potato or cook a beefsteak until they serve an apprenticeship in her kitchen&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Laudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Laudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree with you completely Janet.  If you didn't know what was going on in the kitchen you could be intimidated. Plus you could not challenge costs or the time to prepare certain dishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with you completely Janet.  If you didn&#8217;t know what was going on in the kitchen you could be intimidated. Plus you could not challenge costs or the time to prepare certain dishes.</p>
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		<title>By: The Old Foodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Old Foodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that, even aside from the 'theft' issue,  that knowledge (of cooking procedures etc) was power in that other old way - of being more likely to generate 'respect' for the boss lady, and reducing the possibility of the boss lady being intimidated by the cook and servants - especially in the case of a new young housewife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that, even aside from the &#8216;theft&#8217; issue,  that knowledge (of cooking procedures etc) was power in that other old way - of being more likely to generate &#8216;respect&#8217; for the boss lady, and reducing the possibility of the boss lady being intimidated by the cook and servants - especially in the case of a new young housewife.</p>
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